Comments on: What Is the Tytler Cycle? Where Is the United States In This Cycle? http://thinktankinvesting.com/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle Investment News and Resources Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:58:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: scott http://thinktankinvesting.com/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/comment-page-1#comment-143 scott Sun, 19 Apr 2009 01:08:58 +0000 http://plibertyut.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/#comment-143 I think that many parts of the world are in the Apathy phase, and quickly moving towards Dependancy. Spiritual Faith starts the process of success, and a lack of it starts the process of destruction. Fortunately, there is about to be born one last great move of God that will open eyes and educate all the people of the earth, thus sparking a revival of the Spiritual Faith phase for many. These understandings will NOT go over well with the "churches" of the day, but will be like a spring rain falling on the hard dry soil of many weary and oppressed hearts. I think that many parts of the world are in the Apathy phase, and quickly moving towards Dependancy. Spiritual Faith starts the process of success, and a lack of it starts the process of destruction. Fortunately, there is about to be born one last great move of God that will open eyes and educate all the people of the earth, thus sparking a revival of the Spiritual Faith phase for many. These understandings will NOT go over well with the “churches” of the day, but will be like a spring rain falling on the hard dry soil of many weary and oppressed hearts.

]]> By: Ruel http://thinktankinvesting.com/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/comment-page-1#comment-112 Ruel Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:50:20 +0000 http://plibertyut.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/#comment-112 Great comments, glgcag. Very insightful and applicable. You mention the "individual first" mentality and its destructive nature to democracy and I couldn't agree more. Aristotle spoke of 6 forms of government, 3 based on virtue of one (monarchy), few (aristocracy), and many (timocracy or republic or mixed government or constitutional government); 3 based on tyranny of one (tyrant or despot), few (oligarchy), and many (democracy). Without proper checks and balances or auxiliary precautions, people will be duped into policies and laws that eventually enslave them. Three things that contribute to a loss of public and private virtue and lead a nation from a republic to a democracy are: Flattering Leaders Sexual Promiscuity False Education Philosophies According to various Founders and history, democracy is always followed by mobocracy, anarchy and then dictatorship. Very interesting... Great comments, glgcag. Very insightful and applicable. You mention the “individual first” mentality and its destructive nature to democracy and I couldn’t agree more. Aristotle spoke of 6 forms of government, 3 based on virtue of one (monarchy), few (aristocracy), and many (timocracy or republic or mixed government or constitutional government); 3 based on tyranny of one (tyrant or despot), few (oligarchy), and many (democracy). Without proper checks and balances or auxiliary precautions, people will be duped into policies and laws that eventually enslave them. Three things that contribute to a loss of public and private virtue and lead a nation from a republic to a democracy are:

Flattering Leaders
Sexual Promiscuity
False Education Philosophies

According to various Founders and history, democracy is always followed by mobocracy, anarchy and then dictatorship.

Very interesting…

]]> By: Tbird http://thinktankinvesting.com/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/comment-page-1#comment-111 Tbird Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:29:59 +0000 http://plibertyut.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/#comment-111 I agree very much with your last bit about a state of global bondage. What will happen once all of the new international monetary regulations are in place that they are hashing out right as I type? This is only one example of bondage on a global scale that lies on the near horizon. Tbird I agree very much with your last bit about a state of global bondage. What will happen once all of the new international monetary regulations are in place that they are hashing out right as I type? This is only one example of bondage on a global scale that lies on the near horizon.
Tbird

]]> By: glgcag http://thinktankinvesting.com/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/comment-page-1#comment-105 glgcag Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:26:59 +0000 http://plibertyut.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/#comment-105 We actually have a recent example of entering the "bondage" stage of the cycle. I had a professor in college that was German and his mother lived in Germany during Hitler's rise to power. He told us the story of how he asked his Mother if she supported Hitler, and her reply was "honey, EVERYONE supported Hitler in Germany." His incredulous response elicited an amazing story of the run-up to WWII and how the average German was suffering under such a financial depression that it was the perfect environment for someone like Hitler to rise to power. Keep in mind that it wasn't like Hitler was unknown. Mein Kampf was available and people knew his politics- but they followed blindly because he got results in turning the country around. Of course, the trade-offs for stability weren't worth it in hindsight, but the strange and organic process of acceptance seems foreign to us. Yet, are we in such a different situation here in America? Or what about many other countries in the world? If this financial mess continues to get worse, are we ripe for the plucking by a dictator who initially provides "stability" at the eventual cost that we are all in bondage? (Forget Democrats and Republicans- the thirst for power cares nothing of political ideology.) The greatest change in our country is the "individual first" mentality which is antithetical to democracy. We are losing, or have lost, the ability to rally around the only important single issue- democracy. (Really, does the Bill of Rights and the Constitution mean anything to most people today?) Instead, it's abortion rights, race rights, gay rights, conservative christian rights, rights to the American dream, and so on, all of them causing the "other side" of the political spectrum to hate the other. Democracy is so far down the list that a dictatorship is inevitable simply because there isn't any common ground anymore and who will sacrifice for the good of democracy? Really, it requires everyone to give a little and respect others. But that is a civilized democracy that has had time to mature- we aren't maturing as a democracy at all! Well, if the cycle is correct, people won't sacrifice and be driven into bondage all the while denying it is happening and mumbling that they are entitled to their rights! There are some very bright people that get this and are trying to sound the alert that we MUST find common ground or else. Being a liberal or conservative means nothing in the end if neither makes a compromise to save our basic liberty as a people. If we stop fighting for what we feel entitled to and start fighting for the common ground, we might actually save our democracy. Unfortunately, even grade-school age children have the entitlement mentality ingrained in their thinking already- are they going to save us? Lastly, I think that it is possible the stage of bondage might be more global. I think that it is very possible we will see a global dictator (a horror of biblical proportions if you believe that sort of thing!) especially if this financial mess turns into a global depression. -glgcag We actually have a recent example of entering the “bondage” stage of the cycle. I had a professor in college that was German and his mother lived in Germany during Hitler’s rise to power. He told us the story of how he asked his Mother if she supported Hitler, and her reply was “honey, EVERYONE supported Hitler in Germany.” His incredulous response elicited an amazing story of the run-up to WWII and how the average German was suffering under such a financial depression that it was the perfect environment for someone like Hitler to rise to power.

Keep in mind that it wasn’t like Hitler was unknown. Mein Kampf was available and people knew his politics- but they followed blindly because he got results in turning the country around. Of course, the trade-offs for stability weren’t worth it in hindsight, but the strange and organic process of acceptance seems foreign to us. Yet, are we in such a different situation here in America? Or what about many other countries in the world? If this financial mess continues to get worse, are we ripe for the plucking by a dictator who initially provides “stability” at the eventual cost that we are all in bondage? (Forget Democrats and Republicans- the thirst for power cares nothing of political ideology.)

The greatest change in our country is the “individual first” mentality which is antithetical to democracy. We are losing, or have lost, the ability to rally around the only important single issue- democracy. (Really, does the Bill of Rights and the Constitution mean anything to most people today?) Instead, it’s abortion rights, race rights, gay rights, conservative christian rights, rights to the American dream, and so on, all of them causing the “other side” of the political spectrum to hate the other. Democracy is so far down the list that a dictatorship is inevitable simply because there isn’t any common ground anymore and who will sacrifice for the good of democracy? Really, it requires everyone to give a little and respect others. But that is a civilized democracy that has had time to mature- we aren’t maturing as a democracy at all!

Well, if the cycle is correct, people won’t sacrifice and be driven into bondage all the while denying it is happening and mumbling that they are entitled to their rights! There are some very bright people that get this and are trying to sound the alert that we MUST find common ground or else. Being a liberal or conservative means nothing in the end if neither makes a compromise to save our basic liberty as a people. If we stop fighting for what we feel entitled to and start fighting for the common ground, we might actually save our democracy. Unfortunately, even grade-school age children have the entitlement mentality ingrained in their thinking already- are they going to save us?

Lastly, I think that it is possible the stage of bondage might be more global. I think that it is very possible we will see a global dictator (a horror of biblical proportions if you believe that sort of thing!) especially if this financial mess turns into a global depression.

-glgcag

]]> By: Tbird http://thinktankinvesting.com/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/comment-page-1#comment-103 Tbird Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:15:11 +0000 http://plibertyut.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/#comment-103 Ruel asked a very interesting question. How do we get past the bondage stage and get back to liberty and abundance? I believe that key thought leaders will step up during the bondage phase, which we are about to enter. People will know they are in bondage, they will feel the constraints that are about to be imposed on them post-bailout. We are already feeling them! How many investors do you know right now who can't get credit because they aren't in a 9 to 5 job? If you don't have a 9 to 5 job working for the man, you can't get credit. Talk about bondage! Now is when the true leaders, the thought leaders, will have to step up and make true changes in the world and lead us back to the phases of liberty and abundance. These are interesting times for sure! -Tbird Ruel asked a very interesting question. How do we get past the bondage stage and get back to liberty and abundance? I believe that key thought leaders will step up during the bondage phase, which we are about to enter.

People will know they are in bondage, they will feel the constraints that are about to be imposed on them post-bailout. We are already feeling them! How many investors do you know right now who can’t get credit because they aren’t in a 9 to 5 job? If you don’t have a 9 to 5 job working for the man, you can’t get credit. Talk about bondage!

Now is when the true leaders, the thought leaders, will have to step up and make true changes in the world and lead us back to the phases of liberty and abundance.
These are interesting times for sure!
-Tbird

]]> By: Ruel http://thinktankinvesting.com/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/comment-page-1#comment-101 Ruel Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:00:47 +0000 http://plibertyut.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/#comment-101 Great comments! This cycle is so interesting to consider as we look at the economic challenges that face us now and will face us in the future. The question I ask is how does a civilization that is dependent on the will and voice of the people for direction remain in the Liberty/Abundance stages? What was happening during the Great Spiritual Faith and Courage stages that led to liberty and abundance? How do we get back to that? Great comments! This cycle is so interesting to consider as we look at the economic challenges that face us now and will face us in the future. The question I ask is how does a civilization that is dependent on the will and voice of the people for direction remain in the Liberty/Abundance stages? What was happening during the Great Spiritual Faith and Courage stages that led to liberty and abundance? How do we get back to that?

]]> By: Tbird http://thinktankinvesting.com/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/comment-page-1#comment-100 Tbird Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:27:44 +0000 http://plibertyut.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/#comment-100 I am enjoying the continued discussion on this. I personally believe that we are going headlong into the dependence stage given the government intervention in the banking system. This is actually happening worldwide as UK banks for example are also being bailed out by their government. Ah...Dependence! What do you think will be the trade off for this dependence on government then? More regulation on an international scale where it hasn't really existed before. Ah...Bondage! And this new state of bondage doesn't apply to the United States alone but applies across the board, globally. Many people ask, "what do you mean by 'bondage' exactly?" Bondage takes on many forms. Increased regulation in a free market to me means less freedom and thus bondage. Any thoughts? -Tbird I am enjoying the continued discussion on this. I personally believe that we are going headlong into the dependence stage given the government intervention in the banking system. This is actually happening worldwide as UK banks for example are also being bailed out by their government. Ah…Dependence!

What do you think will be the trade off for this dependence on government then? More regulation on an international scale where it hasn’t really existed before. Ah…Bondage! And this new state of bondage doesn’t apply to the United States alone but applies across the board, globally. Many people ask, “what do you mean by ‘bondage’ exactly?” Bondage takes on many forms. Increased regulation in a free market to me means less freedom and thus bondage.
Any thoughts?
-Tbird

]]> By: Michael http://thinktankinvesting.com/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/comment-page-1#comment-99 Michael Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:13:55 +0000 http://plibertyut.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/#comment-99 Is it possible that we're at the bondage point and the bondage is represented by the self imposed debt - private and public? Is it possible that we’re at the bondage point and the bondage is represented by the self imposed debt – private and public?

]]> By: kate http://thinktankinvesting.com/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/comment-page-1#comment-98 kate Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:44:48 +0000 http://plibertyut.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/#comment-98 I personaly think we are between dependence and bondage. For all the money americans will have to pay to get out of this economic crisis. I personaly think we are between dependence and bondage. For all the money americans will have to pay to get out of this economic crisis.

]]> By: moe http://thinktankinvesting.com/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/comment-page-1#comment-53 moe Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:07:00 +0000 http://plibertyut.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/what-is-the-tytler-cycle-where-is-the-united-states-in-this-cycle/#comment-53 We are dependent on foreign oil and cheap goods from China and other countries. Many of the American have lost jobs to China, India and other countries. Policically we are shy to face Russia and China. So in a way we are on the left side of Tyler cycle. We are dependent on foreign oil and cheap goods from China and other countries. Many of the American have lost jobs to China, India and other countries. Policically we are shy to face Russia and China. So in a way we are on the left side of Tyler cycle.

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